Petraeus says “Talking to Enemies leads to ….well…not victory…but good things.”

So General Petraeus agrees with Barack Obama — and not John McCain — on the question of whether we should meet with hostile enemies?

In an interview that aired on CBS last night, John McCain, when asked which three living people he’d like to have dinner with most, promptly chose General Petraeus. McCain frequently hails Petraeus as an “American hero.”

McCain, however, might not enjoy that dinner so much if he heard Petraeus’ views on one of the leading foreign policy differences he has with Barack Obama.

In a case of comically awful timing, Petraeus yesterday gave a talk at the Heritage Foundation in which he more or less echoed Barack Obama’s views on negotiating with hostile foreign leaders — views that McCain has repeatedly subjected to criticism and ridicule.

via TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | McCain’s Hero Petraeus: “I Do Think You Have To Talk To Enemies”

The video is here…

Note: title reference available here.

Petraeus has been pretty tight on the political rhetoric before.  I think in this case McCain would probably agree with him, although his statements do, obviously, appear to support Obama’s more negotiation-oriented demeanor.

He’s also right in saying that it was this ability that led to gains in Iraq and is something we’ll have to do in Afghanistan.  I mentioned the most common way that negotiating “with pre-conditions” works is when you are negotiating a surrender in my video post last week (the part that hasn’t been uploaded yet…should be up in a day or so…).

I stand by that statement.  When you refuse to negotiate with enemies until they capitulate to your demands, you have missed the entire concept of negotiating.

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Petraeus on Palin’s “Victory” Campaign

The outgoing commander of US troops in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, has said that he will never declare victory there.

In a BBC interview, Gen Petraeus said that recent security gains were “not irreversible” and that the US still faced a “long struggle”.

He said he did not know that he would ever use the word “victory”: “This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade… it’s not war with a simple slogan.”

BBC NEWS | Middle East | No victory in Iraq, says Petraeus.

[quick note….this is why I use the tag “victory” over there in the tag cloud…so…yea…me and Petraeus are the same page there]

[another quick note…why all the Palin crap? Because it’s hilarious and historic. This is one of the bigger snowjobs in history. The most recent being the one about Iraq being a danger to the U.S. I saw through those lies and I see through these. We all see, now, how that turned out. And McCain/Palin is nothing more than Bush/Cheney with the roles reversed, i.e. the out-of-touch Cold Warrior at the top and the likable everymanwoman with a deep faith and profound ignorance of the world outside his her state on the bottom. ]

Now the meat…Palin quotes…

…on Obama

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform – not even in the state senate. [ed note: not true]

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word “victory” except when he’s talking about his own campaign.

…on McCain…

He’s a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

…on Iraq…

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ..

And just as a reminder from the guy on the ground…the one running the “surge”…

[Petraeus] said he did not know that he would ever use the word “victory”: “This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade… it’s not war with a simple slogan.”

Looking at the single interview that Saran Palin has been so gracious to grant to her adoring public, it’s pretty evident that explaining the real nature of the conflict would be completely lost to her. Learning cultural nuance and history isn’t something you cram for, it’s something you study for years and only the people with a real passion for it ever get close to having decent grasp on things.

And someone should point out that tying 9/11 to Iraq, as she has done a number of times while pimping her son, is a sign of a deep and dangerous ignorance.

BTW, I completely believe she is pimping her son. This is a boy who was “adamant” about not wanting any publicity for his enlistment. I have a working theory on why that is, and because Palin has used him so blatantly to cover her own lack of patriotism (if your husband being in a secessionist party is anything like having a wife who’s black, this whole patriotism thing needs to be looked at again), I think it is time to share.

It entirely possible to have a son in a war and not trumpet it to the rooftops, and use it like it’s a qualification for being Commander-in-Chief. McCain was able to stand on his own decisions, why can’t Sarah?